Disability Matters

September 26, 2006 1:00 P.M. CST

Audio Version

Host: Joyce Bender
Guest: Edwin Black

Welcome to "Disability Matters" with your host, Joyce Bender. All comments, views, and opinions are solely those of the host, guest, and caller. Now the host of "Disability Matters," here is Joyce Bender.

Joyce Bender: Welcome to the show. And you are in for a great treat! It really is my honor today to be bringing back a guest of one of the highest listened to shows that we had. That was with the internationally acclaimed Pulitzer Prize nominee, Mr. Edwin Black. And let me tell you what. Get ready for an energy burst, or as I always say when I talk about him, a burst of your bubble on what you may have thought about energy and oil and all of the myths that you may have in your mind because, you know what? We already had Edwin this morning right here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, at the Rivers Club to speak to executives in Pittsburgh. And tonight he will be at the Hill House speaking again to the public. He has changed my thinking across the board, and above all of that, let me tell you, he is a modest really just genuinely wonderfully human being.

Welcome to our show, and welcome to Pittsburgh! And you have learned, the home of Heinz ketchup. Welcome to Pittsburgh.

Edwin Black: Thank you for welcoming me. You have shown me a great welcome. I am so grateful to you and your colleagues for making it possible for me to come out to the people of Pittsburgh, and to speak to your radio listeners. And, yes, we had breakfast today, and it's the first time in my life where Heinz ketchup was served not in a bottle, but in elegant bowls all the way across all of the tables.

(Laughter) so that was a first.

Joyce Bender: I said that because Edwin said, "I've never seen that much ketchup."

It was a lot of ketchup.

Joyce Bender: I said, "Edwin, remember, you are in Pittsburgh. Heinz. You are in the home of Heinz."

Well, for our listeners who do not know, War Against the Weak which by the way you better buy that book. You better read it if you have not. As a matter of fact, we recommend this book everywhere that we go. And when I speak at national conferences, which I will be speaking in October in Washington D.C., as a matter of fact, to the Federal Government, no matter where I go, I frequently tell them about War Against the Weak. But let me tell you, IBM and the Holocaust, go read that book it will change your mind. Your thinking. Go read that book! But so will Banking on Baghdad, so will The Transfer Agreement. By the way, Pulitzer Prize nominated book. But the newest book, Internal Combustion, oh, my gosh, this book will have such an impact on you. And, Edwin, before we talk about Internal Combustion and how you can purchase Internal Combustion, and how everyone listening to this show today needs to tell someone to go buy that book immediately.

You are not just an author, but you really are an investigative author who speaks for the voices who cannot speak, which is why I am wearing the pin Voices of Civil Rights with Edwin back here in Pittsburgh.

Why? And who influenced you?

Edwin Black: Well, that's an interesting question. I suppose that it harks back to my family in the Holocaust and managed to survive that harrowing story. And I always assumed they lived for a reason, and I was put on this planet for a reason. That was to explain the inexplicable. I Want to make a difference through an indifferent world to be my primary mission throughout my life. I have always tackled the impossible task and made it real and tried to explain how our terrible past must be understood in order to salvage our precious future.

And what's interesting here is with Internal Combustion and our addition to open, I have examined a terrible future hoping that we can as well voyage our precious past.

Joyce Bender: Yes. And I guess it was your parents then that probably had this impact on you.

Edwin Black: Well, the tragedy of my parents, they survived a harrowing story, and we can recount it here, that my mom was pushed out of a train on the way to Treblinka, pushed off by her mother, pushed off on a small grill, and a small vent, and my father walked away from a shooting place and lived on their own for a few years in the woods. They were harrowing enough, they were forest fighters. So when my parents came to this country and had me as a child, I suppose that I always understood that I was here for a reason. It was not just an accident that so many people should die and some should live. I never made light of that, and I took it seriously.

Joyce Bender: And you know what? When you read Edwin's book, you are going to say, yep, that's it. That's why he is here. You know, there are those that hear about things in life that are terrible, and they say, "Oh, that's too bad."

And then there are those that hear about it and say, "What? I'm going to do something about it." That's Edwin. That's Edwin Black. That's why as I said if you are listening to this show today you have to tell everyone about Edwin. Edwin, Internal Combustion is your newest Pulitzer Prize nominated book, and this book is also absolutely tremendous, another winning, wonderful expos. Why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about what caused to you write this book, this current book, Internal Combustion?

Edwin Black: It arose because I understood that the most important and towering question of our day was whether or not society could continue in spite of its addiction to oil, our addiction to oil is killing our lungs mile by mile with micro-fine particles causing sickness and wreaking havoc and illness the way cigarettes incrementally do, mile by mile, people are dying. Our planet is dying from climate change that is caused by greenhouse gasses which are emitted by many sources, including the internal combustion machine running on oil. Our addiction to oil is transferring our treasury out of our hands and into the hands of people in the Middle East that wish to use the monies to sponsor terrorism and to buy airplane tickets to fly into the World Trade Center.

Our treasury's also being used, and we're being blackmailed to turning a blind eye to the terrorism that's being conducted worldwide and against Israel. And so I believe that of all the imperative crises that are placed upon us, the devastation of our climate, the devastation of our lungs, the devastation of our treasury, perhaps the most compelling is the petro-political and petro-terrorist threat which threatens to strangle our nation and our society, not in 5 years, not in 10 years, but in some inconvenient moment chosen not by us, but by those who hate our way of life.

Joyce Bender: Wow! You know what is amazing? We can change it.

Edwin Black: Yes, you can change it.

Joyce Bender: As you will find out when you read his book. You've got to read the book. Edwin, how can our listeners purchase your book?

Edwin Black: I have a website internalcombustionbook.com in which I've posted a notice, because of publicity on CNN and fine radio shows like yours, and there is a run on them in stores. And the fastest way to link is to go to Amazon. That can be done through my website, or through my home page, and you will get it at a substantial discount. It has taken the bookstore a long time to supply them probably because they have to use internal combustion vehicles to deliver the books.


Joyce Bender: They can go to Edwinblack.com , or go to Amazon.com is that correct?

Edwin Black: They can go to Amazon.com, and that's faster. There is also a direct link from my website, and my website for this book is internalcombustionbook.com. They can learn more about the book and also see a three-minute video about the book if they log on to that site. That's internalcombustionbook.com.

Joyce Bender: And with that, we're going to go to break for a minute. And then we'll be right back so that we can talk more to Edwin Black, the author of this international, dynamic best-seller, "Internal Combustion."

Listen, whoever is listening to this show today, tell your friends to buy this book. We'll be right back with Edwin Black, our friend. Don't go away. You are listening to Joyce Bender, America's voice on VoiceAmerica.com. We'll be right back. (Music)

Joyce Bender: Welcome back to the show! We are talking to Edwin Black, the internationally-acclaimed author. So many books, eight nominated for Pulitzer Prize. His newest book, Internal Combustion, nominated for the Pulitzer Prize is absolutely awesome! If you haven't purchased it yet, you can get it right now by going to Edwin Black's own website, Edwin, that site again?

Edwin Black: Oh, that's internalcombustionbook.com, and click on "order copy" and that will take you right to Amazon.com. Or they can go right to Amazon.com.

Joyce Bender: Let me tell you what, Edwin Black spoke at the Rivers Club in Pittsburgh PA, for a group of executives, and he already had such an impact on them. We're on our way later on to hear him speak at Carnegie Mellon and then this evening at the Hill House. What a way to go. I'll tell you what, read the book. It will have that impact on you. Edwin, whenever they read your book, it is hard to believe, and I also know that you spoke about this on CNN, which you have been on CNN several times. And by the way, folks, he is on a 50-city, 300-event tour. Can you imagine what that is like? But if you meet him, he has so much energy, this would not surprise you. But when you were on CNN, I know that you talked about how Ford and Edison had the answer over 100 years ago.

Do you want to talk about that for a minute with our listeners?

Edwin Black: Well, originally all of the electric -- all of the automobiles in this country at the turn of the last century were electric. Through a complicated series of marketing maneuvers they became internal combustion machines burning gasoline. Henry Ford was involved in that in a primal fashion. But from 1912-1914 he and Thomas Edison decided that was the wrong way to take this country, and they decided to return to the electric vehicles, including electric vehicles that would be primarily charged from home regeneration with wind generators, and kerosene generators. And although the batteries were working, when they left his complex in New Jersey, by the time they got to Dearborn, Michigan suddenly they did not work.

He complained about tampering. He complained about false engineering, false reports. And then finally when the project was being shunned aside, Edison was convinced that he would have a resurgence of his effort and make his batteries tamper-proof, that all of his many buildings and his compound all in a flash fire burned down to the ground even though they were in fire-proof buildings, and fire-proof rooms with a fire brigade on premises, mysterious flash fire and everything burned, except the flammables, alcohol, turpentine, and so this was a fire of suspicious origin. Then came World War I, and that was the end of the beginning of clean electric vehicles in this country. It wasn't 20 years ago or 40 years ago. We've had these electric car setting land speed records of a mile a minute since the 1890s.

Joyce Bender: Well, you know what? This is a good time to ask you this question from Alfred in New York City. One of our listeners who says, "Wishing that this time of the year, Mr. Black, the best to you over the Jewish holidays [Yom Kippur]. I must ask you one question, which is, as I read your books, I often ask myself why have we never heard about any of this in our education system? Why is so much of this information never taught? And then my part two question is, sometimes I'm worried about you and your safety as to I know how much power people in the oil industry have. Do you ever get a lot of opposition from those who have power?"

That's from Alfred.

Edwin Black: Well, Alfred, let me say this. First of all, thank you very much for your wishes for a happy new year. I extend a happy new year wish for all of you listeners in Joyce's audience which are observing the holiday. I would like to say that all of my books have tackled the details and topics of incredibly compelling topics and revelations which have not been known to the academic community, to scholarship, to the general people. That's how it was in The Transfer Agreement. That's how it was in IBM and the Holocaust how I documented how IBM consciously engaged in co-planning with Adolph Hitler for the Holocaust in World War II. And now I'm doing the same thing with this book Internal Combustion, and I am explaining things that really no one in this country knows.

No one in this country knows that energy going all the way back to the Pharaohs was something that has been hoarded, that it's been manipulated, it's always been the domain of monopolies. People don't know that the first energy cartel was a coal cartel run by a secret society in England called the Hostman. No one ever heard of that. People don't know in this country that electric cars were running everywhere up and down the roads of the United States, and that they were controlled by a bicycle monopoly which had teamed up with the battery monopoly to create an electrical vehicle monopoly. People don't know that and mainly people don't know that Ford and Edison, and you can go to all of the Ford and Edison biographies you wanted at the Carnegie Library or anywhere else, and you will not find any information about this, that Ford and Edison were involved in this secret project to return America to a cheap electric cars. That was subverted, and this information is just not known, nor has anyone ever gone to the trouble to document exactly what General Motors did when they lead a criminal conspiracy together with Mac Truck, Standard Oil, Phillips petroleum, and Firestone to subvert mass transit lines, trolley lines, electric lines, in 40 cities through a front company called National City Lines. They were convicted of a criminal conspiracy, and they were found guilty. It was upheld on appeal, and substituted in those cities motor buses, stinky, smelly debilitating illness-causing motor buses that were so unpopular, and this lead to the debacle of mass transit in the United States. And while they were doing this, while they were doing this they were putting the Hitler regime on wheels, motorizing the third Reich, building the [Opel] Blitz truck for the blitzkrieg, helping the Nazis to carry out their program of Jewish exclusion and Jewish persecution.

No one is aware of this. But I am bringing this out. And the reason that they don't teach this in the classrooms and in the history books is that because I answer I answer the unanswerable questions. I ask the embarrassing questions. I don't stop until those questions are answered. And there's just one other thing that distinguishes those who are in academia and myself, and that is that I think like a criminal and I act like a cop. And it takes one who can think like a criminal to catch a monster, to catch a criminal, to catch a collaborationist with the Nazi regime. And that's why I am able to say now and conclude that based on the evidence there is no company that has done more to harm transportation in this nation than General Motors. And they're still harming our transportation by building gas guzzlers, by keeping us addicted to oil, and now by trying to convince us that corn ethanol is the answer when corn ethanol just extends the problem.

So I have to tell the story, and I tell it with facts and documentation that's bullet-proof. And as for the question as to am I in fear for my life from big oil, from big Detroit, from General Motors from IBM, from the corn lobby, from the ethanol lobby? They don't scare me. They know how to reach me.

Joyce Bender: This is why he is -- I'm going to tell you what. Edwin Black, Edwin Black, you know, should, I don't know, receive whatever the highest -- in addition to the Pulitzer Prize, he should receive the highest national -- not just national, but world recognition for what he is doing. Because you know what? This is serious. This is serious. He is just not like writing some book where he is just wanting to be this whatever author. He is trying to say, "This is what's happening, and we can make a difference."

Edwin Black: I am excavating the information that has been buried. You know, I lead a team of 50 researchers in over 100 repositories acquiring some 100,000 documents so that we could prove our point and make it bullet-proof. That's why I am speaking to you today, and that's why I am speaking around the country making the point that we must get off our oil addiction and, in fact, in point of fact we never really needed to be on oil.

And if we can get off now, and the only reason that we're on is because of a century of lies, lies from government, from media, and from the corporations whose duty it is to safeguard our technology, our energy, and our future.

Joyce Bender: And I just want to tell you if you are listening to this show, let me tell you something. Go buy his book. Go buy Internal Combustion, go by War Against the Weak, go buy IBM and the Holocaust go buy his books. Sometimes when you hear someone speak on TV, or you hear an author, and you think, oh, yeah, that's right. This isn't opinion. Read his books. It's like every line has a footnote. I've never read anything ever as well documented and as factual, you know, to answer that person's questions, the reason that you don't see all of these people going up against Edwin Black when he makes this statement is how can they? He has everything documented. Everything!

And I've just written a story in a magazine for journalists in which I wrote about the Martian standard of evidence. That if you just came down from Mars, and you wanted to see me prove a point, I could bring it out in black and white. I maintain a 30-second standard. That means that if somebody needs to see -- somebody can point to any sentence on any page and ask where those facts come from and I can pull out a numbered file folder and prove the point within 30 seconds. I've got two teams of independent triple fact checkers. And this is why. My publishers know that when I say that IBM consciously engaged in the genocidal actions of the Third Reich, and that's why when I say that GM was a willing collaborationist with the Hitler regime from its first moments in 1933 going right into the War, that I can back this information up.

And that's why IBM has been hiding since 2001, instead of apologizing to the world, and that's why GM now is also behind the same rock. Because what they want to do is hope that I will go away. But I will not go away because our energy crisis will not go away. And I will not go away until this country is energy-independent, we're free from infrastructure, we're stopping the pollution, and I know that we can actually do it, not talk it in a "Star Trek" fashion, but we can do it now. We can start now, and we can finish the job later. That's why the answer to fleet, federal express, UPS, Krispy Kreme, Carnegie Mellon University, anybody who has a fleet, you must understand that if you and me, Joyce, buy vehicles, one by one, that's just fine and dandy and I am happy that we've done it.

But the mass production of these alternative vehicles will not occur until there is mass purchasing. And so more can be done with a fax machine and a purchase order than with all of the ballot boxes and votes that you care to cast, and all of the letters to the editor. And since we're in Pittsburgh, I am making a public appeal to Federal Express right now, 44,000 vehicles. How many of them are running compressed natural gas? Why haven't you placed an order for a hydrogen vehicle right now? Don't tell us there's no infrastructure. You can fuel that thing in your parking lot off-grid.

Joyce Bender: You heard him! You heard it! And you will hear more. You'll hear more from the exciting, wonderful Edwin Black, author of his newest book, Internal Combustion. You are listening to Joyce Bender, America's voice, on Voiceamerica.Com. Don't go away. We'll be right back to talk more to Edwin Black.

Announcer: If you have a question or comment, call toll-free at 1-866-472-5788.

Joyce Bender: We're talking to the author of the exciting new book Internal Combustion.

And we do have an e-mail question here from one of our listeners. Mr. Black, thank you for taking time to share your new book with us. Your investigative works have centered on important social injustice, governmental misconduct, and corporate criminality. These are important issues for your broad audience to understand. Could you please share with us why you think that it is particularly important that members of the disability community have a firm grasp of these topics as we seek full and equal participation in the world around us, as to you Jamie from Washington D.C.

Edwin Black: In a world in which mobility is life and death, or mobility is the difference between the quality of life the inequality of life, the disability community is primarily concerned with transportation issues.

When the entire world will be inconvenienced, the disability world will be devastated. There are two reasons. There are actually three. The first reason is that the internal combustion machine directly and through other means is causing disability, is causing illness and sickness through its pollution. How many young boys are losing their legs and losing their lives defending this pipeline of oil do we really want to, as I say, drill a hole in Saudi Arabia and drag this black substance over the dead bodies of Americans, and over the severed legs and bomb-blasted torsos of American boys and girls so that we can run lawn mowers off of petroleum? And so it's making disability in the same way that wars have always made disability.

You would think that we could learn from these wars. But that is not happening.

Secondly, we are transferring the treasury that we have out to the Middle East. Economics is such an important facet to the people in the disability community because medical economics is the difference between getting a wheelchair that is usable, and a wheelchair that's not usable. Of course, I was very much involved in the DME industry and I have an understanding that there are many people who around the world who don't even have a fraction of the access that we have to orthotics and prosthetics. This is a big issue. Care, home care, access. If a city is so busy paying its oil bill that it can't make sidewalk ramps, that's going to hurt the disability community. And, third, just the ability to get into a vehicle, just the ability to get into a bus, just the ability to get into a taxi cab, into a private vehicle, these are devastatingly important issues to the disabled.

They're sometimes looked at inconveniences and luxuries to those who are not challenged. But for the disabled community, it's life and death, it is enjoyment, or it is confinement. And that is why the energy crisis that we have in America must have a new and strong ally and spokesman in the disabled community, and those who do not wish to the disabled community to grow faster and more voraciously than it will, goodness gracious, I'm from Washington. I live just down the street from the Bethesda Naval Center. I know what's going on with our wonderful boys and girls coming back to this country as amputees. Why are we doing this? Why are we creating more disabled people when, in fact, what we should be doing is using our resources, using our talents, using our innovation to make it easier for the existing disabled to cope with their environment and making it more difficult for more disabled to join their ranks.

Joyce Bender: Wow! You know what? You have really hit on something major because I'm all about employment. Bender Consulting Services as my listeners know, my whole mission is gaining competitive employment for people with disabilities. And at the same time what is one of the biggest problems for people with disabilities?

Edwin Black: Mobility.

Joyce Bender: Transportation.

Edwin Black: Correct.

Joyce Bender: If you don't have transportation, you can't get to that job.

Edwin Black: No, it's true that some people aren't going To be able to go to the 7-Eleven at midnight and get an extra half a gallon of milk. But what about the people who can't get kidney dialysis? What are they going to do when oil stops? Get off of oil. It's a matter of life and death. The oil supply in this country will stop not at a moment of your choosing, but in the twinkle of an eye as chosen by someone else.

Joyce Bender: Not only that, but if you had a new way of more efficient transportation, then more people would be able to get to employment. They would have access to get to work. Because right now, remember, with the cost of oil, and then what that does at the gas station, and what that costs people with disabilities who may have prosthetics, but can still drive a car, or may be deaf but can still drive their car, but are in poverty. So in some of the ways, this impacts people.

Edwin Black: This is your issue, and I want you and me, Joyce, and all of your listeners to make it your issue. Claim it, speak loudly about it, and get those who care about the disabled to understand that you have a voice in this, too. And be counted! And just don't shout it from the rooftops. Shout it from the fax machines. Remember, only your fax machine, a purchase order from a fleet to Honda, BMW, that's what's going to get your hydrogen fleet and your hydrogen car here faster. Instead of somebody saying, "Well, we can't afford to transport you," why not say, "We could suddenly afford to transport you because suddenly we're off oil."

Joyce Bender: Well, let's talk about that in more detail. You always say that it's not about green, but it's about greed in this case. And here we are, our opposition being major corporations. So you're saying, if I understand you correctly, just a vote won't count, right? Calling your congressman is not enough in this case.

Edwin Black: The vote will not count. The letter to the editor will not count. All that's going to matter is the fax machine. Because I assure you that if government is going to do the right thing in terms of energy and transportation, they have many opportunities going back decades, going back centuries, going back thousands of years. They have proven themselves in each generation going back to the beginning of recorded time to have used oil, transportation, and energy to manipulate those around us.

And as they say in politics, power corrupts, and the same goes for energy. Power corrupts.

Joyce Bender: Power corrupts. Well, we can do something about it. You can do something about it. As Edwin said, time for the fax machine. But just think, you can go to your groups and get them involved right here in Pennsylvania. We have a group here that's now saying, "Hey, let's be progressive. Let's be doing something right."

Edwin Black: Well, just today as a result of our business we spoke to the county groups. We're speaking to the governor's groups. We want the school district to run our school buses on hydrogen instead of oil. And there are bridge technologies that we can undertake today such as the Honda compressed natural gas vehicles, and there are hydrogen cars which are going to start coming online as early as the spring. What will make them come online with greater abundance and greater alacrity -- alacrity, is a purchase order. Not mass purchasing, no mass production. The green fleet initiative.

Joyce Bender: The green fleet initiative. Okay. So a question that we have here from a listener is, "What can I as an individual do?"

Edwin Black: As an individual you can find out if you impact a fleet. Does your school have a fleet? Your hospital? Your school district? Your county? Your city? Your sheriff's department? A company that you work for? Ask them, why the hell they won't switch to compressed natural gas, to hydrogen. Get in touch with Joyce, she'll get in touch with me, and I will put these people in touch with the direct phone numbers at the automakers, and at the hydrogen companies who can make it possible immediately right now. We could run this stuff off of solar, we can run this stuff off of compressed natural gas, we could run this stuff off of many, many power sources. We can run it off of wind. But we have to start now, and we have to start it en masse. I do not want incremental change.

I want disruptive change. I want sudden change because when the moment comes, when the oil spigot dries up, when the terrorists bring to us our knees, that will be even more disruptive.

Joyce Bender: Oh, yes that is -- that is disruptive change. That does not surprise me! Listen, if you read Edwin Black's books, any of them, but especially this new book, Internal Combustion, you will want to make a change immediately. Go buy this book! Buy this book for your friends! Buy this book for everyone. Internal Combustion by Edwin Black. He will be right back as soon as we go to break. You are listening to Joyce Bender where disability does matter on VoiceAmerica.Com! We'll be right back.

Announcer: If you have a question or comment, call in toll-free at 1-866-472-5788. Now please welcome back the host of "Disability Matters," here is Joyce Bender.

Joyce Bender: Welcome back! And what an exciting show this has been. Remember, this show with Edwin Black will be archived on Voiceamerica.Com, and Benderconsult.com, if you want to tell anyone about the show. I think that we have a caller on the line right now?

Yes, Evan Frazier.

Joyce Bender: Hey, Evan!

Joyce, how are you?

Joyce Bender: Welcome to the show. I bet you are excited about the event tonight.

We sure are. Lot of people in the Hill District and the Pittsburgh region are looking forward to hearing Edwin Black, and we're very excited.

Joyce Bender: Edwin why don't you just -- Edwin, Evan Frazier is head of the Hill House, and Edwin will be speaking there this evening to the community. Evan, why don't you just take a minute and tell them what we're doing, and a little bit about the Hill house.

Well, first of all, thanks to you, Joyce, and your generosity, and that of Mr. Edwin Black. We're actually inviting Edwin Black to the Hill District which is an historically African-American community here in Pittsburgh. There is a lot of energy throughout the community about his coming, you know, to our community, giving people a chance to hear firsthand the kind of wonderful, provocative, and very meaningful and important influential work that you have been providing. So as we go around the community sharing the information about your book signings, and your lecture, it's not a tough sell. People are chiming in and really getting excited about your presence.

Joyce Bender: Where will that be tonight, Evan? What time and where?

It will be 6:00 at the Hill House Kaufmann Auditorium, 1835 Center Avenue Pittsburgh on the Hill District. We're only four blocks from the Mellon Arena, as you are leaving downtown Pittsburgh right in the middle of downtown Pittsburgh, and the other main center of Pittsburgh which is Oakland, which is where the universities reside.

Joyce Bender: Edwin, interestingly, the Jewish community from the beginning worked together with the minority community to bring the Hill House together and Evan is a tremendous leader in the Pittsburgh community. So we're all excited, Edwin, about you speaking there this evening.

Edwin Black: Well, the Jewish and black communities worked for years in the Civil Rights Movement, and frankly, I would like to see a resurgence of that alliance facing our common nemesis, which is now the paralysis of our nation by our addiction to oil. We are just a couple -- we are just a couple of oil tankers away from feeling this paralysis. I would like to avoid that both for those of means, those without means, and those of any color.

Joyce Bender: Well --


Joyce Bender: -- we have the right group together tonight that's for sure. Evan?


Joyce Bender: Anyone listening to the show this is opened to the public. Everyone knows that the Hill House is one of the most prestigious organizations in the community -- the most prestigious organizations in the community, and has brought in national leaders and speakers to the Hill House. Evan has arranged so much and done such great work. But it's opened to the public, 6:00 tonight at the Hill House.

Joyce, the other significant part of this evening, the actual auditorium in the center where he will be speaking tonight used to be a part, a very important part of the Jewish community in the early 1900s. It used to be a part of what was called the Irene Kaufmann settlement. So this is a building that's historic that goes back to the Jewish roots on the Hill. So, Mr. Black, as you talk about the Jewish and the African-American history intertwining, that's very much I think what you will see tonight.

Edwin Black: Well, it's going to be an absolute pleasure to be under an historic roof speaking of an historic matter that now faces not just these two communities, but all communities. You know something? The only color that we should be concerned with here is the color green. And unless we can all go green, this country and this world of ours is in desperate trouble.

Joyce Bender: You can hear him tonight, again, at the Hill House. If you are in the Pittsburgh area listening to this show, tell your friends 6:00 tonight at the Hill House. Evan, we will so much look forward to seeing you.

Edwin Black: Evan, I will see you there.

Thank you. I am looking forward to it. Thank you for coming. We're very excited about your presence.

Edwin Black: Thank you for bringing me there.

Thank you, Joyce.

Joyce Bender: Thank you! Thank you, Evan! This is what we need. We need to get all of these groups together and united, as Edwin said, one color, and that color is green. Because if not we are in desperate condition here. We will just continue as he said having, you know, more debts, more problems, or who knows what could happen, something similar that already happened with 9/11. We have really got to do something about it, and -- we've really got to do something about this.

Edwin Black: 9/11 was just a practice run. It was just a practice run. What's in store for us, what's being publicly spoken of, what's being publicly predicted, what's being publicly urged is the entire conquest of the Western way of life. That's being fuelled by one substance, petroleum. And we think we are the master of petroleum, but petroleum is our master.

Joyce Bender: Isn't that the truth? And by the way, Edwin, I want to also extend my sympathies to you because I know that you did lose a friend in Seattle at around the same time, isn't that correct?

Edwin Black: Yes. Just recently there was a Muslim extremist who attacked the Jewish Federation in Seattle and shot dead a friend of mine, someone that I knew, someone who I used to work with on speaking engagements, on tour in the same way that I work with you. So that was devastating. I want people to understand that there are many, many prices that we pay. Only one of those prices is the price at the pump. The quality of our lives, the quality of our ability to get on the airplane and bring shampoo, all of these qualities are tied to our addiction to oil. It's not just MPG, but it's U.S.A.

Joyce Bender: You heard him. And I'm going to tell you what. Edwin sent an e-mail out about this friend of his, and it was just the most sad e-mail because here he is trying to find out who this person was that was killed, and it ended up that it was his friend killed. And what does all of this go back to? What he is talking about right now. I mean, what is the weapon used over our heads? Oil. Every time that you hear about it, oil. And unfortunately oil does fuel terrorism.

Edwin, for those people interested in following you as you are going along here is it best just to go to your website? I know that you are on this 50-city, 300-event tour. I know that you've been on TV several times on CNN. How can people follow you if they're interested in doing so?

Edwin Black: Well, just go to -- there are two websites. One is my private site which is Edwinblack.com. That has my book tours and my book. But the specific book sites, the private book web page is internalcombustionbook.com. That has my tours, it has my articles, there will be pictures there, pictures from tonight. People can see where to find me in advance. Friend or foe, my life is an open book. And they can find out the alternatives such as Brazilian sugar cane ethanol which is 100% oil-free, but which our legislatures, not just the White House, but our Congress has taxed with a penalty tax of 54 cents per gallon. They can find out the truth about corn ethanol, which is a bogus energy saver that really is not. They can find out where these vehicles are that are obtainable now from Honda, from BMW.

They can find out what's really happening in the hydrogen world. They can really find out about detaching from the infrastructure. And, they can find out -- they can read excerpts from the book that aren't even in the book too much detail that the publishers didn't want it to go all under because they couldn't publish that fat of a book. So took the excerpts, and instead of putting them on the cutting-room floor, they're on the web. They can find the original pictures of some of these things such as parking meters that are actually electric. You park in front of them, and you would plug your electric vehicle in, and they would get charged. Where did that go? It's all been subverted, and now is the time for people to understand that we don't need to reinvent the wheel.

We need to excavate it from where it was buried a century ago.

Joyce Bender: Wow! That's Edwin Black, let me tell you what. It has been your treat to hear him. Edwin, what message do you want to leave with our listeners today?

Edwin Black: Get off oil!

Joyce Bender: Get off of oil. You heard it. Get off oil. You know what? We always have a quote from a famous disability leader, my quote today will be right from Edwin Black when he said For those in the non-disabled world, if there is an inconvenience to you, to the disability community, it's devastation. Oh, how true those words are! Right now, listen, go out and buy this book, Internal Combustion, by one of the greatest people I have ever met, Mr. Edwin Black! Edwin, it has been my honor to have you with us today. Thank you for coming to Pittsburgh.

Edwin Black: Thank you so much, Joyce. Let's get on with the crusade.

Joyce Bender: Let's get on with the crusade! And, listen, if you are in Pittsburgh, the Hill House, 6:00 this evening. You're listening to America's voice, disability does matter on VoiceAmerica.Com!

Edwin Black: I'll see you there, Joyce.

Joyce Bender: See you later!